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		<title>By: Why I hate Internet Explorer 6 aka IE6 &#124; Toronto Web Design, Web Development, SEO, Wordpress, 3D Modeling...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I hate Internet Explorer 6 aka IE6 &#124; Toronto Web Design, Web Development, SEO, Wordpress, 3D Modeling...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually stopped coding for IE6 about 3 years ago!!

And now when some client calls me cause the website looked disformed on ie6, I simply politely show him/her how shame it is to still be using IE6...

Of course at first they do strange faces/noises, but in the end... some time after they always get thank me! ;)

Oh and as because for me microsoft will be burned with anything that has to do with the internet... when anyone asks me for advise on what browser to use, I always recomend firefox, chrome or opera... or even safari!

Internet Explorer -&gt; Never... I warn them, they will regret later if they ever choose internet explorer (which is most always the truth anyway!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually stopped coding for IE6 about 3 years ago!!</p>
<p>And now when some client calls me cause the website looked disformed on ie6, I simply politely show him/her how shame it is to still be using IE6...</p>
<p>Of course at first they do strange faces/noises, but in the end... some time after they always get thank me! <img src='http://www.phazm.com/notes/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh and as because for me microsoft will be burned with anything that has to do with the internet... when anyone asks me for advise on what browser to use, I always recomend firefox, chrome or opera... or even safari!</p>
<p>Internet Explorer -&gt; Never... I warn them, they will regret later if they ever choose internet explorer (which is most always the truth anyway!).</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.phazm.com/notes/productivity/stop-the-hate-ie6-isnt-so-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still hate IE6. You have to understand I check my sites with all major browsers like FF, Opera, Safari and Chrome. Out of all the browsers, my layout is a mess with IE6, IE7 need a little fixing too but it wasn&#039;t as bad as IE6. Now IE8 seem to be fine for me, which is a miracle. I can&#039;t wait till every user upgrade to the latest browsers and I don&#039;t have to waste time with IE6 ever again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still hate IE6. You have to understand I check my sites with all major browsers like FF, Opera, Safari and Chrome. Out of all the browsers, my layout is a mess with IE6, IE7 need a little fixing too but it wasn't as bad as IE6. Now IE8 seem to be fine for me, which is a miracle. I can't wait till every user upgrade to the latest browsers and I don't have to waste time with IE6 ever again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.phazm.com/notes/productivity/stop-the-hate-ie6-isnt-so-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IE6 had the opportunity to be standards compliant and it was not. Your statistics are only only buoyed by the fact that IE6 was bundled with XP so many corporations coded intranets and other applications against it. They now can&#039;t upgrade to the more secure IE8 because it would take investment: much cheaper to keep as is. Your argument for IE6 being not so bad is a list of workarounds. That&#039;s a poor argument. You&#039;ve argued &quot;My Car is not that bad because it rolls on four wheels and look, on a hill, you can go 20mph.&quot; No, I want a car with an engine, IE6 is not that.

These workarounds are fine if you&#039;re hand coding websites but if you&#039;re working on enterprise web applications then you don&#039;t have control over third party controls, integrations and ActiveX controls.

IE6 was a terrible, rushed mistake when it was produced and MS should hang their head in shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IE6 had the opportunity to be standards compliant and it was not. Your statistics are only only buoyed by the fact that IE6 was bundled with XP so many corporations coded intranets and other applications against it. They now can't upgrade to the more secure IE8 because it would take investment: much cheaper to keep as is. Your argument for IE6 being not so bad is a list of workarounds. That's a poor argument. You've argued "My Car is not that bad because it rolls on four wheels and look, on a hill, you can go 20mph." No, I want a car with an engine, IE6 is not that.</p>
<p>These workarounds are fine if you're hand coding websites but if you're working on enterprise web applications then you don't have control over third party controls, integrations and ActiveX controls.</p>
<p>IE6 was a terrible, rushed mistake when it was produced and MS should hang their head in shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Why TRMS.COM Doesn&#8217;t Do IE 6</title>
		<link>http://www.phazm.com/notes/productivity/stop-the-hate-ie6-isnt-so-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Why TRMS.COM Doesn&#8217;t Do IE 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: myspace 2.0 layouts</title>
		<link>http://www.phazm.com/notes/productivity/stop-the-hate-ie6-isnt-so-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>myspace 2.0 layouts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! IE8 is even worser then IE6!!!!! I&#039;m working on a site for a client and I thought well lets check it in IE8. Result: Loads of script conflicts (such as PNG Alpha transparency in combination with jQuery opacity statements) and heaps of display problems. I&#039;ve tried to look for a png fix such as the ones for IE6 and came to the conclusion.... THERE IS NOT ONE!!!!!

AND NOW COMES IT!!!!.

I&#039;ve checked all the sites that I made over the last 2 years in IE8 and I was shocked to see that they all have major issues regarding usability, display and functionality.
After cursing for an hour or so and wishing Bill Fucking Gates everything what we don&#039;t want to have, I really don&#039;t know how I&#039;m going to explain my former clients that I need days and in some cases even, weeks, to solve all the issues and that they have to pay for me to do so while actually BILL FUCKING GATES have to pay me for that.

Seriously, I know that I as a web developer can&#039;t ignore Internet Explorer, because there are still too many end users stuck with the shitiest browser on earth, but deep in my Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc, HEARTH... I WISH I COULD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! IE8 is even worser then IE6!!!!! I'm working on a site for a client and I thought well lets check it in IE8. Result: Loads of script conflicts (such as PNG Alpha transparency in combination with jQuery opacity statements) and heaps of display problems. I've tried to look for a png fix such as the ones for IE6 and came to the conclusion.... THERE IS NOT ONE!!!!!</p>
<p>AND NOW COMES IT!!!!.</p>
<p>I've checked all the sites that I made over the last 2 years in IE8 and I was shocked to see that they all have major issues regarding usability, display and functionality.<br />
After cursing for an hour or so and wishing Bill Fucking Gates everything what we don't want to have, I really don't know how I'm going to explain my former clients that I need days and in some cases even, weeks, to solve all the issues and that they have to pay for me to do so while actually BILL FUCKING GATES have to pay me for that.</p>
<p>Seriously, I know that I as a web developer can't ignore Internet Explorer, because there are still too many end users stuck with the shitiest browser on earth, but deep in my Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, etc, HEARTH... I WISH I COULD!</p>
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		<title>By: brudinie</title>
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		<dc:creator>brudinie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that X percentage of people use IE6 is irrelevant. It is damaging the web-eco system with its crappy support for CSS. Why should progression of the web be held back just because some people use IE6? After coding my most recent website to work with Firefox as the primary browser, I noticed it worked perfectly on Safari, Opera, Chrome and IE8 straight away! This is how web development should be. The 5 days extra that I had to spend forcing IE6 to work correctly were nothing less than painful- Also, just think how this inflated the cost of development! Hating IE6 is absolutely valid but I agree that some attempts should be made to render the site in a usable way. This &quot;useable&quot; IE6 mode should be augmented with a huge banner at the top of the site which tells the user to &quot;upgrade&quot;. I&#039;m sick of IE6 users from holding back the web and they should be made aware of their choice of browsers problems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that X percentage of people use IE6 is irrelevant. It is damaging the web-eco system with its crappy support for CSS. Why should progression of the web be held back just because some people use IE6? After coding my most recent website to work with Firefox as the primary browser, I noticed it worked perfectly on Safari, Opera, Chrome and IE8 straight away! This is how web development should be. The 5 days extra that I had to spend forcing IE6 to work correctly were nothing less than painful- Also, just think how this inflated the cost of development! Hating IE6 is absolutely valid but I agree that some attempts should be made to render the site in a usable way. This "useable" IE6 mode should be augmented with a huge banner at the top of the site which tells the user to "upgrade". I'm sick of IE6 users from holding back the web and they should be made aware of their choice of browsers problems!</p>
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		<title>By: Keep supporting IE6 &#124; Mint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keep supporting IE6 &#124; Mint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yeah right:
Because that is my job. I am a professional, and I do whatever it takes to make the customer (read: the visitor) happy. As has been said many times in this thread already, if people coming to your site aren&#039;t using ie6 then ignore it, but if a large number of people are using ie6, you should &quot;be forced&quot; to code for it.

I would also appreciate if you kept a civil tongue, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yeah right:<br />
Because that is my job. I am a professional, and I do whatever it takes to make the customer (read: the visitor) happy. As has been said many times in this thread already, if people coming to your site aren't using ie6 then ignore it, but if a large number of people are using ie6, you should "be forced" to code for it.</p>
<p>I would also appreciate if you kept a civil tongue, thanks.</p>
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